The trials and tribulations of tubeless vs tubes, and the folly of lightweight carbon components

When I built the Cruzbike V20 in late 2017, I had the opportunity to build my ‘dream bike’. Starting with the naked V20 frameset, I researched and specced the entire bike to be as lightweight and high performance as possible within my budget. I was willing to spend a fair bit, so I went reasonably high end.

I ended up with a very nice pair of custom built wheels from Strada Wheels in England, and a (mostly carbon) Sram Force 22 groupset. The wheels are DT Swiss 240 disc hubs and the rims are Pacenti Forzas, and I had them built with tubeless 25C tyres (Maxxis Padrone) installed. This setup is very comfortable to ride on and also very fast. The wheels are top notch.

Over the past couple of years I have developed a fear of a high speed blowout. I have no idea why, but it has become something that has played on my mind, since I spend a fair amount of time coming down hills at speeds above 40 MPH. My rationale for going tubeless was that this would reduce the risk of such a blowout, and small punctures would seal themselves before the tyre became so flat that I lost control of the bike.

Unfortunately, I failed to consider one particular scenario, and it struck 2 weeks ago. It has never happened to me before so perhaps it was just very bad luck.

I was coming back from a lovely ride to Paddy Slacks and back, a 54 mile round trip. I had put in several PRs and was gunning it. I had earned a 3rd Strava placement for the section from the Granites down to Heriot, and was just approaching the Heriot / Stow turn off at around 25 MPH when I hit something on the road. I have no idea what it was, but I heard a metallic chink and the next thing I knew I was sliding down the road.

The damage from this crash has been terrible. I took a big chunk out of my thigh, one that is still trying to heal 2 weeks later. Similarly for my elbow and forearm. A new Castelli jacket and bib tights were badly ripped. Luckily I didn’t break anything or suffer any serious injury. A few minutes earlier I had been doing 40 MPH, so I count myself lucky I hadn’t come off at that speed.

The bike didn’t get off so lightly though. The left hand (carbon) brifter was shredded by the friction of the road. The left hand (carbon) crank took a similar beating, and the rims were badly scraped. Worst of all, the left hand Garmin Vector 3 power pedal was more or less annihilated, completely destroyed. I’m currently talking to Garmin about a replacement and they need to be replaced as a pair, not singly. It looks like they will replace them for a very modest sum which is fantastic, but still not the cheapest day out on the bike.

When I took a look at the front wheel, I expected to see a big slash down the tyre, something that would be obviously beyond the ability of the internal sealant to repair quick enough to stop a rapid deflation. However, the tyre was untouched. What had happened was this – whatever I had hit on the road had struck the rim with enough force to put a small dent in it. This in turn had broken the seal between the tyre and the rim, which had resulted in an instantaneous and catastrophic front wheel blowout. So the exact scenario I had feared had happened, and the irony is if I had been running tubes I probably would have got home without even realising I had a dent in the rim.

Having now spent time at the side of the road bleeding profusely and slowly freezing in the near zero winter temperatures, I now see what a complete faff tubeless can be, and the mess it makes when your tyre blows out is substantial. I had an idea that it would be easy to reinflate the tyre but I was completely unable to get the tyre to bed correctly, and although I had a spare tube with me I was so cold and sore by this point I ended up phoning my wife for an emergency lift. The idea of putting a tube on with all that sealant mess around wasn’t very appealing, and my core body temperature was starting to drop so I just wanted to get home.

I have gone back to tubes for now – I am trying out the Slime tubes. I have never tried these before so we’ll see how it goes. I don’t think I will be able to trust tubeless again now, given what has happened and the inability of tubeless to deal with small dents in the rim. If the Slime tubes are able to keep enough air in the tyres to bring the bike to a stop in a high speed puncture situation, I will take that and the increased rolling resistance gladly.

I have also learned the hard way just how fragile carbon components are. I had to get a new brifter, and although the crank is fine it has had a nice bit of sanding done to it by the road. Knowing what I know now, I would probably gone with a slightly heavier and lower spec groupset just for the sheer durability of metal vs carbon.

My lovely new shiny steed has been bruised and battle hardened. The good thing that comes out of that of course is that you let go of attachment to the idea of the bike being new and shiny, so that’s also a good thing 🙂

You live and learn!


11 thoughts on “The trials and tribulations of tubeless vs tubes, and the folly of lightweight carbon components

  1. Worse case scenario.
    The injuries to yourself sound pretty bad – hope you recover and get back on bike.

    Just fitted out a Nazca Gaucho 28 with tubeless too. That’s to a customers spec.
    Two other customers running tubeless tyres so far. So is a small trend. Bigger on mountain bikes of course.
    Take care – just skimmed read so far and shame to happen on new bike too.


    • I’m sticking to tubes for now. Bike is nearly back in one piece – new brifter, bar tape and tyres. I’ve gone for some stealthy Lizard Skins faux black leather tape this time, very Batman. Garmin are replacing both pedals for £107 – absolutely amazing customer service. Rim has been straightened and scrapes painted over. The carbon race case took a pasting and I’m still trying to remove the scrapes. There will be some permanent markers in the clear coat but it will live to ride again. We’re both bruised and dented but otherwise still fully functional!


  2. It’s probbaly little consolation now but a couple, of years ago I had a front tyre blowout on my Trice QNT whilst riding at 45mph down a country road. It was completely uneventful beyond the initial alarming bang – the trike didn’t so much as wobble and I was able to come to a halt safely at the side of the road. Other trikes might have responded the same, but I was left with admiration for ICE’s design. I’m a bit more circumspect on the Fuego as great though it is, it’s not as stable as the trike!


    • I do tend to ride the ICE when it’s dark or I know the road is going to be bad – I hit a fallen branch on it the other night which was quite a thump. Three wheels is definitely very reassuring to ride. I do find it hard to generate the same power on the mesh seat though, I can max out my heart much easier on the hard shell 2 wheelers. It’s a blast to ride though!


  3. What a shame!
    Often the way that these things happen in freezing wet weather adding insult to injury
    Hope you recover quickly
    I have embraced the tubeless concept on my recumbents so far without problem- being able to run a lower pressure for comfort without sacrificing rolling resistance or inviting pinch punctured is a great plus in itself
    I wonder though if you might have suffered the same fate with a tube-any gap between the rim and the tyre can allow a small blister or bubble of tube to blister or bubble through and pop
    A bit like a bad hernia!
    I too used to feel anxiety of the what if variety and the fragility of my existence on high speed descents ,but now as I approach my 70th year ,the worry has gone and recklessness rules-I might as well end it all enjoying a high speed kick as slowly languishing in a coffin dodger’s refuge at zero miles per hour
    Anyway ,get well soon


    • Hi John, the reason I don’t trust tubeless now is because if there’s a small dent in the rim, even a repaired one that might not be 100% straight, I am no longer confident it will stay inflated and not blow out again. The dent wasn’t very bad and I’m pretty sure a tube would have held without incident.

      I realise there’s a lot of situations where the opposite would be true and tubeless would be safer, but the structural integrity of the rim is something I hadn’t considered and there’s a lot of junk on the roads so I’m sticking with tubes for now.

      I am also like you – I find it very hard not to cane it down every hill, it’s just too much fun. Keep it fast! 🙂


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  5. Hi, thanks for sharing your experience. I am sure we will all benefit from learning from each other. Have you ever considered solid mcp tyres? After reading your post, I am veering more toward solid tyres. I have had enough of limping home on flats, trying to repair tyres by the roadside (all unsuccessfully), calling a taxi and hoping it would accept a bicycle in the boot. Sealants also don’t seem to cut it: lasted me a month at the longest and then its back to having to replace the tyres. I am considering the q45 cruz for touring and will be very glad to not have to worry about tyres while on holiday. Speed is gladly sacrificed though I read in some posts that the rolling resistance and weight of these solids are not too bad..! I have yet to go as fast as you and I imagine that a blowout at speed can be very catastrophic indeed. I have had other mishaps and near misses ( head without helmet narrowly missed a lamp post after hitting a branch when going down a slope in the dark on rollerblades) and have learnt to dial down things a notch. (bought a helmet) I used these mcp solids on an e scooter and indeed they are a bit harder. No slip on the wet tho. One lead I am looking at is Tannus. The research continues. Here is a link for reference if you like: Hope you and bike recover well.


    • Hi,

      Thanks for your comments and wishes – Me and bike are more or less back to normal. I’m currently running Schwalbe Duranos with slime tubes until the winter is over, I might think about the Padrones with either latex tubes or tubeless again at some point as the weather gets better. There’s no doubt they are more comfortable.

      I have never really considered something like the Tannus tyres, I imagine they are not very comfortable and rolling resistance must be higher if they are not supple. On my fast bike that might be a bit too much extra effort needed 🙂 On a touring bike I can see they might be really good If you don’t want any problems and I have heard of people using them on velomobiles too to stop the risk of high speed blowouts, so people are definitely getting on well with them. If you try them I’d love to hear how you get on!


  6. I know I’m pretty late to the game here, but just found the website and wanted to post. From my experience if a wheel hits something hard enough to dent the rim, the tube will get a snake bite set of punctures and will go flat pretry fast, so I’m not sure how much better off one would be with tubed tires in that sort of situation.


  7. Late to this article, but had a similar but much less painful encounter with a pothole. During an early morning commute, we crashed through a deep pothole with a reverberating thump. Then just…nothing. Badly dented rear rim (needed replacing), but that was it. Tubeless did it’s stuff where I doubt a tube would have held.

    Anyway, I’m convinced it’s down to the luck of the draw, it could have gone either way…


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